Thursday, February 10, 2011

Response to the Question: According to Mathew 5: 31-32, Prophet Muhammad (SAW) did adultery


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பிஸ்மில்லா ஹிர்ரஹ்மான் நிர்ரஹீம் - அளவற்ற அருளாளனும் நிகரற்றஅன்புடையோனுமாகிய அல்லாஹ்வின் திருபெயாரால் (துவங்குகிறேன்)

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இந்த வலைத்தளத்தில் பிரசுரிக்கப்படும் கட்டுரைகளுக்கு முகவரி இல்லாத கிறிஸ்தவ நண்பர்களிடம் இருந்து வரும் கேள்விகளுக்கு ஒரு வரியில் பதில் அளிப்பதை காட்டிலும், அதை ஒரு கட்டுரையாக எழுதினால் அனைவரும் பயன்பெறுவார்கள் என்ற எண்ணத்தில், எல்லாம் வல்ல இறைவன் அருளை வேண்டியவனாக இந்த பகுதியை துவங்குகிறோம்.


Question:
Mathew 5: 31-32 31 "தன் மனைவியை விலக்கி விடுகிறவன் எவனும்மணவிலக்குச் சான்றிதழைக் கொடுக்கட்டும்" எனக்கூறப்பட்டிருக்கிறது. 32 ஆனால் நான் உங்களுக்குச் சொல்கிறேன்;எவரும் தம் மனைவியைப் பரத்தைமைக்காக அன்றி வேறு எந்தக்காரணத்திற்காகவும் விலக்கிவிடக் கூடாது. அப்படிச் செய்வோர்எவரும் அவரை விபசாரத்தில் ஈடுபடச் செய்கின்றனர்.விலக்கப்பட்டோரை மணப்போரும் விபச்சாரம் செய்கின்றனர்.According to the above scripture Mohammed did adultery. If you people refer the bible words then you would refer the above scripture also. Mohammed had failed in the above scripture (He married divorced womman). You people always mistreat the bible words. I don’t know why? Last ten years I have read Quran, hatish and bible. Quran was never encouraging me to love the people. Intead of it, encouraging me to judge the people. It had spoiled my heart and my attitude. It is my personal experience may be its differ. After I read the bible my heart has been changed. My attitude also changed. Now I can love all the people(muslim,hindu,atheist,christians). My family members also could feel my changes and later they have attracted by bible words. My personal opinion is without love we can’t meet God, in the judgement day. God is love. He is the creator of all the good things. God only created heaven and hell. God is love. If God is love then he is the whole responsibility to rescue the people. For example ,I am the ordinary human , I love my children. If my children is going to face any sever pain(equallen to hell) then I am not giving rules books to my children. I am the father of the children. I love my childeren(Just ordinary man). I know the pain(hell). I am ready give my life if they want ot resue. God main character is Love eventhough he is a judge. His Core is Love. Suppose , God gave Lot of books(religion book) about , how to live, How to pray and He mentioned in this book “My(God) character is love” like this. Its not give any feeling of love. If He shows his love through only word s or book then that God has failed in his(God) own main character( love). God is love and he is the responsibility to shows his love not only through book but through activities.. My personaly opinion is Bible shows the God in that way(Love). I am poor in my english ,Suppose if you foud any mistakes in my article. please ignore it. I have no idea, you people are puplishing my article.


திரு அனாநிமஸ் அவர்கள் ஆங்கிலத்தில் கேள்வி எழுப்பியுள்ளத்தால் அவருக்கு ஆங்கிலத்திலேயே பதிலளிப்பது தான் சிறந்ததாக இருக்கும் என்ற நோக்கத்தில் இந்த பதிலை வரைகிறோம்.


Our Response:
Dear Mr. Anonymous,
We had found the following questions from your comments:
  1. According to Mathew 5: 31-32 31, Prophet Muhammad (SAW) did adultery because he married a divorcee.
  2. Quran is not encouraging love rather encouraging to judge, but bible encourages love.
  3. Your opinion about god: “God is love and bible shows god in that way(love). If god is love then he is the whole responsibility to rescue the people.

Our Response on them:
1. According to Mathew 5: 31-32, Prophet Muhammad (SAW) did adultery because he married a divorcee
Our Response: Dear Mr. Anonymous, yes in deed the bible states that, the only ground for divorce is by proving adultery against the Women. Is that practical?
Mathew 5:31 it was declared yet that who ever should be from loosing the wife of him let him be giving to her from stand (Apostasion – divorce).5:32 I yet am saying to you that who ever should be from loosing the wife of him beside outed of saying of prostitution is making her to be adultering, and who if ever one having been from loosed should be marring is committing adultery.

Another translation:
Mathew 5:31 “It was said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife must give her a legal document.’ 5:32 But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

The above bible verse says divorcing a woman other then proving prostitution against her is making adultery. Re marrying a divorced woman is again a form of adultery.

According to this, to divorce a woman, if a person raises issues against her virginity, then the responsibility lies on her father to prove that she was virgin while the marriage took place.
Deuteronomy 22:13 Suppose a man marries a woman, has sexual relations with her, and then rejects her, 22:14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: 22:15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:22:16 The young woman’s father must say to the elders, “I gave my daughter to this man and he has rejected her. 22:17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. 22:18 The elders of that city must then seize the man and punish him. 22:19 They will fine him one hundred shekels of silver and give them to the young woman’s father, for the man who made the accusation ruined the reputation of an Israelite virgin. She will then become his wife and he may never divorce her as long as he lives.22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: 22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

According to the above bible verse, to prove the women’s case, the father should spread a cloth in front of the elders of the city.

What does that cloth going to have? A doctor certificate? No it is going to have blood samples took out from the women by the father using the digital defloration technique before the marriage. Do you wanna say this is the wise way to prove a women’s case? But this is what the bible suggests, and this is still in practise on the orthodox Jews families in many part of the rural Europe…

Is women re marriage is committing adultery? Is there any one in the world to accept this? Imagine if this happens to your daughter, sister or even your mother, did you going to say “you should not re marry” because she become a widow or divorcee?

Bible says the only ground for divorce is prostitution, are you ready to accept this? Is the Christian nation like United Status of America accepted this?
In 2008, 46% of all marriages involve a remarriage for one or both spouses. It is estimated that 40% of all marriages have ended in divorce as of 2008.[16]On average, first marriages that end in divorce last about eight years.[17] Of the first marriages for women from 1955 to 1959, about 79 percent marked their 15th anniversary, compared with only 57 percent for women who married for the first time from 1985 to 1989.[17] The median time between divorce and a second marriage was about three and a half years.[17]


Is adultery is the only ground for divorce in Christianity today?
The main causes in 2004 were:
  • Extra-marital affairs - 27%
  • Emotional/physical abuse - 17%
  • Mid-life crisis - 13%
  • Addictions, e.g. alcoholism and gambling - 6%
  • Workaholism - 6%

There might be hundreds of reasons for divorce apart from adultery, do you want to say all this women who came across this situation should be silent and bare the pain and treat there husbands as lord?
Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord, 5:23because the husband is the head of the wife….

According to the bible verse you quote, remarrying women is adultery, and births following re marriage are concerned as illegitimate birth, and the bible says the illegitimate birth should not enter assembly (church) up to their tenth generation. Are you sure, can you declare that, there wasn’t any remarriage on the generation or your relations above you?
Deuteronomy 23:2 A person of illegitimate birth may not enter the assembly of the Lord; to the tenth generation no one related to him may do so.

Divorce is one among many things in the bible which never completes at the time of Jesus. It is not up to the standard for what we can follow now, and that’s why issah (alai) said
John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

We believe that the above explanation clears your doubts about re marrying of a widow or divorcee. Instead of just preaching this, the prophet Mohammed (Sal) set up the example by marring a widow, he showed the doors for women’s re marriage.

2. Quran is not encouraging love rather encouraging to judge, but bible encourages love.
Our Response: Dear Mr. Anonymous, Did you wanna say "upon ten years of research towards “Quran” and “Hadith”, you didn’t find anything that encourages Love?" You must be joking. Quran alone has hundreds of statement which encourage love against god and the people. Here is some of them for you
God's love for Man
Here we find a few categories of individuals who are recipients of God's love because of their deeds. One would think these positive statements of God's love would bring us a revelation of the personal and infinite love of God to mankind. What we find are statements of conditional love based on human activity.

1. God loves those who do good.
The muhasneen or those who do good deeds [hasanats]. In some contexts, it implies giving of one's money or goods for good cause.
3:134 Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men; -- for Allahloves [hubb] those who do good; -- [al-muhasaneen]

3:148 And Allah gave them a reward in this world, and the excellent reward of the Hereafter. For Allah loveth [hubb] those who do good. [al-muhasaneen]

5:14 But because of their breach of their Covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard: They change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the Message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them -- barring a few -- ever bent on [new] deceits: But forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): For Allah loveth [hubb] those who are kind. [al-muhasaneen]

5:96 On those who believe and do deeds of righteousness there is no blame for what they ate (in the past), when they guard themselves from evil, and believe, and do deeds of righteousness, -- (or) again, guard themselves from evil and believe, -- (or) again, guard themselves from evil and do good. For Allah loveth[hubb] those who do good. [al-muhasaneen]

2:195 And spend of your substance in the cause of Allah, and make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction; but do good; for Allah loveth [hubb] those who do good. [al-muhasneen]


2. God loves the pure and clean:
2:222 They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by Allah. For Allahloves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves [hubb]those who keep themselves pure and clean. [al-mutdhreen]

9:108 Never stand thou forth therein. There is a mosque whose foundation was laid from the first day on piety; it is more worthy of thy standing forth [for prayer] therein. In it are men who loveto be purified; and Allah loveth [hubb] those who make themselves pure. [al-mutadhreen]


3. God loves those who are righteous:
3:76 Nay. -- Those that keep their plighted faith and act aright, --verily Allah loves [hubb] those who act aright. [al-mutaqeen]

9:4 (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfill your engagements with them to the end of their term: ForAllah loveth [hubb] the righteous. [al-mutaqeen]

9:7 How can there be a league, before Allah and His Apostle, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the Sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: For Allah doth love [hubb] the righteous. [al-mutaqeen]

19:96 On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, will (Allah) Most Gracious bestow love. [arrahman wdan] [Interpretive insert, the thought is that God will bestow benevolence]


4. God loves those who are just and judge rightly:
5:45 (They are fond of) listening to falsehood, of devouring anything forbidden. If they do come to thee, either judge between them, or decline to interfere. If thou decline, they cannot hurt thee in the least. If thou judge, judge in equity between them. For Allahloveth [hubb] those who judge in equity. [al-muqasiteen]

49:9 If two parties among the Believers fall into a quarrel, make ye peace between them: But if one of them transgresses beyond bounds against the other, then fight ye (all) against the one that transgresses until it complies with the command of Allah; but if it complies, then make peace between them with justice, and be fair: For Allah loves [hubb] those who are fair (and just). [al-muqasiteen]

60:8 Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for [your] Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: For Allah loveth [hubb] those who are just [al-muqasiteen]


5. God loves those who trust Him:
3:159 It is part of the Mercy of Allah that thou dost deal gently with them. Wert thou severe or harsh hearted, they would have broken away from about thee: So pass over (their faults), and ask for (Allah's) forgiveness for them; and consult them in affairs (of moment). Then, when thou hast taken a decision, put thy trust in Allah. For Allah loves [hubb] those who put their trust (in Him). [al-mutawakileen]


6. God loves the persevering or patient:
3:146 How many of the Prophets fought (in Allah's way), and with them [fought] large bands of godly men? But they never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah's way, nor did they weaken [in will] nor give in. And Allah loves [hubb] those who are firm and steadfast. [as-sabreen]


7. God loves those who love Him and follow the Prophet:
3:31 Say: "If ye do love [hubb] Allah, follow me: Allah will love[ihbbikum] you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."


8. God Himself will produce a people He will love:
5:57 O ye who believe! If any from among you turn back from his Faith, soon will Allah produce a people whom He will love [hubb]as they willlove [hubb] Him,


9. God loved Moses:
20:39 "Throw (the child) into the chest, and throw (the chest) into the river: The river will cast him up on the bank, and he will be taken up by one who is an enemy to Me and an enemy to him':But I cast (the garment of) love over thee [muhiba minahu] from Me: And (this) in order that thou mayest be reared under Mine eye.
(This passage relates the placing of Moses in the bulrushes and his subsequent adoption by Pharaoh's wife and God's care of him.)


10. Name of God:
Allah is having 99 attributes/names in quran, one among them is Al-Wadudor "the Loving One," which is found in Surah 11:90 as well as Surah 85:14.
In the “Quran” and “Hadith”, there will be hundreds of statement which encourage love. For example:


11. Love to your Parents:
17:23-24 "Your Sustainer has decreed that you worship none but Him, and that you be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in your lifetime, do not say to them a word of contempt nor repel them, but address them in terms of honor. And, out of kindness, lower to them the wing of humility and say: My Sustainer! Bestow on them Your mercy, even as they cherished me in childhood."


12. Love to other People:
2:177 "It is not righteousness that you turn your faces towards East or West; but it is righteousness to believe in God and the Last Day and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask; and for the freeing of captives; to be steadfast in prayers, and practice regular charity; to fulfill the contracts which you made; and to be firm and patient in pain (or suffering) and adversity and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the God-conscious."


13. Other Verses:
2:186 When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed close to them: I listen to the call of every supplicant when he calls on Me.

3:31 "Say (O' Our Nabi) If ye do love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your sins; Verily, Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."



Dear Mr. Anonymous, Did bible encourage love? No, bible says, the people who are not believing the biblical religion should serve as slaves
Deuteronomy 20:10 When you approach a city to wage war against it, offer it terms of peace. 20:11 If itaccepts your terms and submits to you, all the people found in it will become your slaves. 20:12 If it does not accept terms of peace but makes war with you, then you are to lay siege to it. 20:13 The Lord your God will deliver it over to you and you must kill every single male by the sword. 20:14 However, the women, little children, cattle, and anything else in the city – all its plunder – you may take for yourselves as spoil. You may take from your enemies the plunder that the Lord your God has given you.
Deuteronomy 21:10 When you go out to do battle with your enemies and the Lord your God allows you to prevail and you take prisoners,21:11 if you should see among them an attractive woman whom you wish to take as yours, 21:12 you may bring her back to your house. She must shave her head, trim her nails, 21:13discard the clothing she was wearing when captured, and stay in your house, lamenting for her father and mother for a full month. And after that thou shall go in unto her, and you possess her and she becomes your women. 21:14 If you are not pleased with her, then you must let her go where she pleases. You cannot in any case sell her; you must not take advantage of her, since you have already humiliated her.
Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every boy, and kill every woman who has had sexual intercourse with a man. 31:18 But all the young women who have not had sexual intercourse with a man will be yours.
Numbers 31:31 So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the Lord commanded Moses.31:32 The spoil that remained of the plunder which the fighting men had gathered was 675,000 sheep, 31:33 72,000 cattle,31:34 61,000 donkeys, 31:35 and 32,000 young women who had never had sexual intercourse with a man.


Did jesus said that “he going to spread love”? No
Matthew 10:34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace but a sword.


Did jesus said that “he going to bless those who are not Christians”? No
LUKE 19:27 But as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to be their king,bring them here and slaughter them in front of me!’
Matthew 13:41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather from his kingdom everything that causes sin as well as all lawbreakers.13:42 They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Luke 12:49 I have come to bring fire on the earth – and how I wish it were already kindled! 12:50 I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is finished! 12:51 Do you think I have come to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division! 12:52 For from now on there will be five in one household divided, three against two and two against three. 12:53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”
He took the lives of a husband and wife by scaring them to death for not forking over all the money they made on a real estate transaction (Acts 5:1-10).


Is jesus is a sign of love? No, during one particularly temperamental time when Jesus was hungry, He even killed a fig tree for failing to bear figs, even though Jesus knew figs weren't in season.
Mark 11:12 Now the next day, as they went out from Bethany, he was hungry. 11:13 After noticing in the distance a fig tree with leaves, he went to see if he could find any fruit on it. When he came to it he found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs. 11:14 He said to it, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard it. …
11:20 In the morning as they passed by, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots. 11:21 Peter remembered and said to him, “Rabbi, look! The fig tree you cursed has withered.” 11:22 Jesus said to them, “Have faith in God.


Did jesus treat the all the peoples same? No, he point out a women who is not a jew as dog. Is this how to spread love against the non believers?
Mark 7:25 Instead, a woman whose young daughter had an unclean spirit immediately heard about him and came and fell at his feet. 7:26 The woman was a Greek, of Syrophoenician origin. She asked him to cast the demon out of her daughter. 7:27 He said to her, “Let the children be satisfied first, for it is not right to take the children’s bread and to throw it to the dogs.” 7:28 She answered, “Yes, Lord, but even the dogs under the table eat the children’s crumbs. 7:29 Then he said to her, “Because you said this, you may go. The demon has left your daughter.”

We just left a few evidence to prove that Quran encourages love and bible did not encourage love against those who are not a believer of biblical religion. We hope the above explanations and quotes had clarified your questions.

3. Your opinion about god: “God is love and bible shows god in that way(love). If god is love then he is the whole responsibility to rescue the people.
Our Response: Dear Mr. Anonymous, Yes in deed quran defines god as love, but is that means he need to take responsibility to all the wrong doings?

For example, you buy a TV, and the manufacturer will supply the instruction, if you follow the instruction it will work longer but if you handle it wild then it wont lasts.

Similarly, god created humans, and he provide all the means for us to survive, he provide the way of living in the name of religion. It’s our duty to search for the truth and to follow the instruction given on the religious texts, if we don’t follow them then, we will be end up in trouble. Expecting god to provide food magically for us while we don’t do the needful to earn the food is not right, yes god do provide food for holy peoples, but do we worth for it? So god show love to those who deserves it and god will judge according to our deeds.


Dear Mr. Anonymous, we hope answered all your questions and if in case we had missed any, then please let us know, We will try our best to clarify your doubts if its lies within the subject of the above discussion.

Thanking you,

Assalamu alaikum

-Zia & Apsar


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2 comments:

Anonymous said...

Dear Brother, Thanks for your response, I expect, you answered this way only. I am asking “where is God’s love. “. If you asking the same question to people whoever follows jesus. They immediately shows Jesus because he is a good shepherd. We are accepting he is son of god. He gave his life to all humanbeing (Including you. If you are accept or deny not a matter,he gave his life for you).
In bible’s God shows his love through action(he gave his life). Not just wrriten text(like you mentioned in your article “God loves whoever belive”). Need action.
John 10:11
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

John 10: 27-30
27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

30: I and my Father are one.
Suppose, for a example, you take all the religion books. We can see lot of text like “God loves you”, God loves whoever belive him like that.
My Question is “ God is love”.
His main character is Love.
He was created the Heaven , Hell and earth(including all the good things in the earth).
He loves all the humanbeing. Including you and me
His love is not comparable with any other relationship in the world(his love is more superior than mother’s love).
Any mother if they knows thepain of the hell (infinite pain) then they doesn’t allows his children goes to hell. She ready to give her life to save her children. (Unfortunately all mothers/fathers doesn’t feel hell that much. They just knows) because she loves her children. Her point of views children is more precious compare to any others.
If God is love then what he did for human salvation?. He simply gave books(quran,bilble, Geeta or some other religion books). If it so then he(God) failed his main core character. He is not eligible to teach love.

John 1:17
17. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
His responsibility to save the humanbeing(If he is love).
Man doesn’t have the will to resue them self.
Is the Quran’s God shows his love through action ?. I think no. Shows only text.
But bible’s God shows his love through action.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 15:13-14
13. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

Zia said...

Dear Mr Anonymous,

Assalamu alaikum,

our response towards you comment was posted on the following link.

http://isaakoran.blogspot.com/2011/02/response-to-comment-bible-god-proved.html

Please make use of it.

Assalamu alaikum,

-Zia